Dante James: The Harlem in Montmartre Interview

 

 

with Kam Williams

 

Headline: Emmy-Winning Filmmaker Discusses His Upcoming PBS Documentary 

 

            Born in Grand Rapids, Michigan, Emmy Award-winner Dante James is an independent filmmaker who has produced and directed numerous award-winning documentaries as well as a critically-acclaimed dramatic short film. In June 2006 James, accepted an appointment as Artist-in-Residence instructor/filmmaker at Duke University, and the following year he conceptualized, produced, and directed The Doll, based on a short story by Charles W. Chesnutt. The Doll subsequently screened at film festivals around the world, including the Pan African International Film Festival in Cannes.

            In 2006, Dante received three Emmy nominations for his work on the PBS series Slavery and the Making of America, for which he was awarded an Emmy for his work as series producer. He has also been recognized as a distinguished alumnus by Grand Valley State University in 1994, and in December 2007 when he delivered the commencement address the university awarded him a Doctorate of Humane Letters. In addition, he has earned a Masters Degree from Duke University.                                                                                  

           In 2010, James plans to turn his creative efforts to the production of an independent feature film, which will be shot in Detroit and in his hometown of Grand Rapids, Michigan. Here, Dante discusses his latest offering, Harlem in Montmartre, a Paris Jazz Story for PBS's Great Performances. The documentary tells the story of the jazz age in Paris between 1920 and 1945. It explores an abandoned but crucial aspect of the African-American cultural experience and its effect on the international stage. The documentary will air on PBS at 8 PM (ET/PT) on August 26, 2009. (Check local listings)

 

KW: Hi Dante, thanks for another interview.

DJ: Hi Kam, it’s always great to talk with you and I want you to know that I appreciate your interest in my films.

KW: What interested you in making Harlem in Montmartre?

DJ:  When we were working on the Slavery and the Making of America series in 2004 my friend Charles Hopson brought the project to WNET. Charles had acquired the rights to the book and Tammy Robinson, a brilliant black woman who at the time was WNET’s V.P. of national production had the vision to see the potential and the importance of the project. Tammy took the project on and she and Charles asked me to direct the film.

KW: It is based on a book by the late Anthony Shack, a professor of anthropology at Berkeley. What challenges were involved in adapting it into a documentary?

DJ: That is a very interesting question. Actually, it took some time to figure out how to make the book come alive. My Duke University class was involved in analyzing the script, suggesting storylines and visual approaches. They were very creative and several of their ideas did end up the film. But the biggest challenge was figuring out a way to tell the story by using the music as the spine of the film. We wanted to have the music take us through the history as opposed to having the history take us to the music. The other huge challenge was determining what would make it into the film because there were so many great stories.

KW: In the screen version, you focus on a handful of key figures, including Josephine Baker, bandleader James Reese Europe, clarinetist Sidney Bechet, nightclub owners Bricktop and Eugene Bullard and gypsy guitarist Django Reinhardt. What made you settle on their stories? 

DJ: As you know the best films are character-driven. The idea was to cast the film with interesting characters who could take us through the history with music as an essential part of the storytelling. For instance, Sidney Bechet was an incredible musician but he also represented many other things. He represented the strength and independence of black people during that time period. As a matter of fact, all of the characters were representative of our struggle for social, political, economic and artistic freedom in France and in this country. Django Reinhardt was the person who pioneered French jazz.  Early French jazz musicians attempted to imitate American jazz. Django was essential to the development of a French style of jazz. One of the ways he did this was with drastically different instrumentation.

KW: Why did you decide to mix in live performances of jazz classics with archival footage? And by the same token, why did you employ the technique of having actors impersonate some of the leading icons from the era?

DJ: There were specific musical story points that were essential to telling the story and to interpreting the history. The live performances gave us the flexibility of featuring those points and they were also essential to the pacing of the film.  We did not want to rely solely on the archival footage, as that would have been very limiting. In terms of musicians representing musicians of the time period we wanted to have our band directed by the brilliant Victor Goines simply capture the feel and the spirit of the musicians in Montmartre during that time period. I did not want them to attempt to become actors.

KW: What I found fascinating was learning that African-Americans first discovered Paris during World War I. How many black expatriates lived in Montmartre?

DJ: First of all, I want to say that we had the opportunity to work with an incredible group of scholars. They kept us on track and helped us understand the complexity of this history. But to answer your question in spite of all of the activity and all of the accomplishments of the black expatriates in Montmartre the total black expatriate population never reached more than several hundred. 
KW: To what extent did Jim Crow segregation in America contribute to the exodus?

DJ: There is a moment in the film when Brent Edwards talks about the idea of freedom and how after black Americans experienced freedom and respect in France during World War I. They began to see possibilities and could no longer accept the segregation and degradation of American racism. But it is also important to note that we do not frame France as a utopia for black people. We spend quite a bit of time making the point that France was a colonial power and while they were welcoming black American expatriates they were exploiting and oppressing people of color in the Caribbean, West Africa, and Vietnam. This is an example of what I meant in terms of exploring the complexity of this history.
KW: The film also focuses on the fact that the bubble began to burst during The Depression when Paris started enforcing an ordinance limiting the number of foreign performers.

DJ: This is really interesting in that the10% law, which limited the employment of foreign musicians to10% of any band, had been on the books for many years. But with the onset of The Depression, the French began enforcing the law. So it was not a matter of race, it was more a matter of French capitalism and the tighter money supply. This is something we see happening in this country as resources become sparse people take action to make sure that they are going to be financially stable. We often interpret their actions as racist and sometimes race is a factor. However, this is also one of the characteristics of capitalism.
KW: And then what had been an oasis of tolerance turned into a nightmare when the specter of Hitler invading France forced all the blacks to run back to America where they not only had to readjust to segregation and second-class status but where they received little respect as artists.   

DJ: It is ironic and sad that in World War I black Americans were not allowed in U.S. combat units because the U.S. military did not want black soldiers killing white enemies. It is also ironic and sad that while some segments of American society referred to jazz as jungle music, the French recognized it as an art form. But this is the dichotomy of the black experience. Yet, through it all, we continue to define for ourselves and assert our humanity and our dignity.
KW: What do you want viewers to come away with from Harlem in Montmartre?
DJ: The film is really about finding common ground as human beings and in Montmartre that common ground was black American jazz. We must begin to think not in terms of race, color, language, religion, or political persuasion but in terms of humanity. The common thread of humanity is more powerful than all of the things that divide us.

KW: How was it working with PBS again? Do you ever feel constrained by the limits of public television?

DJ: To be very frank with you it was difficult. Too often in television, film and publishing there are those in positions of power who have the final word on the interpretation of our history and our culture, but it is not their culture and they do not understand it. In general I’m happy with the film, however, there were changes made after I left WNET that I am not happy with. Here is an example.  In the opening of the film Josephine Baker is described as scandalous. I think that description far too narrow. Her act might have been scandalous at first, but the French patrons who paid to see her were just as scandalous if not more so. Josephine Baker was complex and extremely talented so I have a problem with reducing her to scandalous at the top of the show. Clearly this was copy that was written by and approved by people outside of our culture.  Things like this happen far too often.                                                                                                       

KW: What’s your next film project going to be?                                                              

DJ: I really enjoyed making my dramatic short film THE DOLL and it has screened at film festivals nation wide and internationally so I decided to make an independent feature film in my home state of Michigan. The Michigan Film Commission is offering incredible incentives for filmmakers to shoot films in the state. I have identified a story and I’m working with Mike Wiley, an incredibly gifted actor and screenwriter, on the script. It’s wonderful to have the opportunity to work with a brother in an atmosphere of mutual respect and support.  My attorney, Lee Jenkins, and I are in the process of seeking investors, so Kam, if you have an extra two million dollars to invest in this project we’ll even give you a cameo role!  Lee is another brilliant black man who has been supportive of me and my work for many years. With a team that includes Lee, Mike and of course my wife, Delores, I know we will be successful.                                                              

KW: Will you also be teaching at Duke this semester? What course?                            

DJ: As of today I’m scheduled to teach a course on planning the documentary film. However, like every other university in America, Duke is experiencing economic challenges and there could be changes. In the meantime, I’m also exploring other opportunities at Duke. Whatever happens, it is a great university and I’m very proud to have a masters’ from Duke and I’m appreciative of the opportunities I’ve had there. They made the production of THE DOLL possible and by the way the film is still available at www.dmdfilms.com                                       

KW: Is there any question no one ever asks you, that you wish someone would?

DJ: No not really                                                                                                                

KW: The Columbus Short question: Are you happy?                                                         

DJ: I’m happy but I’m also very concerned. I’m troubled by the poverty, unemployment, and homelessness that is so prevalent in American society. I’m troubled by the expanding gap in wealth between the rich and the poor and I’m troubled by crime and violence in our communities. So, I suppose one can say that I’m happy but I’m also very concerned about a number of issues. But overall, I’m happy; I have a great life, a great family, and incredible friends.                                 

KW: The Tasha Smith question: Are you ever afraid?

DJ: I’m afraid about something everyday. There is so much conflict in the world. But it’s important to overcome fear and try to make a positive contribution to society daily.                                                                                                            

KW: Teri Emerson would like to know, when was the last time you had a good laugh?                                                                                                                                    

DJ: I’m sure that I have a good laugh everyday. Laughing and having fun are very much a part of being fully human.                                                                           

KW: The music maven Heather Covington question: What music are you listening to nowadays?                                                                                                       

DJ: I have XM radio in my car, in my home and on my computer. It’s usually on and it’s usually tuned to the real jazz channel.                                                                  

KW: The bookworm Troy Johnson question: What was the last book you read?  

DJ: I’m rereading From Slavery to Freedom and various other works by Dr. John Hope Franklin. He was a great man and a great mentor. Reading his work is as close as I can come to re-living the great conversations I used to have with him. I really miss him but I’m thankful for the time I was able to spend with him.                         

KW: What has been the biggest obstacle you have had to overcome?

DJ: Realizing that there will always be challenges. And understanding that life is not about a destination it’s about the journey.                                                                  

KW: The Rudy Lewis question: Who’s at the top of your hero list?                                     

DJ: I don’t know that I have heroes but there are a number of people that I have a great deal of respect for. They include Henry Hampton, Che Guevara, Malcolm X, C.L.R. James and of course Dr. Franklin along with many of the people related to my films, Marian Anderson, A. Philip Randolph, and Charles W. Chesnutt, just to name a few.                                                                                        

KW: The Laz Alonso question: How can your fans help you?                                          

DJ: I’m not sure that I have fans, but support for my films is always welcome.

KW: When you look in the mirror, what do you see?                                                         

DJ: An individual who still has much to do.                                                                     

KW: What is your favorite meal to cook?                                                                          

DJ:  I’m a terrible cook.                                                                                                          

KW: What advice do you have for anyone who wants to follow in your footsteps?

DJ: There is no substitute for hard work. Booker T Washington said, “Nothing ever comes to one that is worth having except as a result of hard work.”  I can’t believe I’m quoting Booker T. Washington.                                                                        

KW: How do you want to be remembered?                                                                      

DJ: As a man who loved his children, his family and humanity.                          

KW: Thanks again, Dante, and best of luck with Harlem in Montmartre and all your other endeavors.                                                                                                        

DJ: Thank you, Kam.