Anthony Mackie
The “Pain & Gain” Interview
with Kam Williams
No Pain, No Gain! Anthony Philosophizes about
Making It
Born in New Orleans on September 23, 1979, Anthony
Mackie attended the Julliard School of Drama. He was discovered after receiving
rave reviews for playing Tupac Shakur in the off-Broadway play “Up Against the
Wind.”
Immediately following, Anthony
made an auspicious film debut as Eminem’s nemesis, Papa Doc, in Curtis Hanson’s
“8 Mile.” His performance caught the attention of Spike Lee, who subsequently
cast him in “Sucker Free City” and “She Hate
Me.” He also appeared in Clint
Eastwood’s “Million Dollar Baby” as well as in Jonathan Demme’s “The Manchurian
Candidate.”
Anthony had five features on
movie screens in 2006. In addition to “We Are Marshall,” he starred in “Half
Nelson,” with Ryan Gosling, adapted from director Ryan Fleck’s Sundance-winning
short “Gowanus Brooklyn;” in Preston Whitmore’s “Crossover;” in Frank E.
Flowers ensemble crime drama “Haven,” opposite Orlando Bloom and Bill Paxton;
and in the film adaptation of Richard Price’s “Freedomland,” starring Samuel L.
Jackson.
Besides an impressive film
career, the gap-toothed thespian has performed both on and off Broadway, making
his Broadway debut as the stuttering nephew, Sylvester, alongside Whoopi
Goldberg in August Wilson’s
“Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom.” Next he was seen as the lead in Regina King’s
modern retelling of Chekov’s “The Seagull,” in Stephen Belber’s “McReele,” and
in the Pulitzer Prize-winning “A Soldier’s Play.”
More recently, Anthony participated
in the Kennedy Center’s presentation of “August
Wilson’s 20th Century.” As one of more than 30 renowned stars of stage and
screen, he performed in three readings of Wilson’s
cycle of ten plays chronicling the African-American experience, each set in a
different decade of the 20th century. A true aficionado of live theatre, he
hopes to return to the stage soon.
In 2009, he played Sgt. JT
Sanborn on the big screen in Kathryn Bigelow’s “The Hurt Locker,” a film which
won the Academy Award for Best Picture. That same year, he reprised his role as
Tupac Shakur in “Notorious,” the biopic of Notorious B.I.G.
In 2010, he took a break from
film to return to Broadway where he starred in “A Behanding in Spokane.” He subsequently returned to Hollywood to appear
opposite Kerry Washington in “Night Catches Us.” Then he appeared in “The
Adjustment Bureau” and “Real Steel.” Last year, he made several movies, including
“Man on a Ledge,” “10 Years” and “Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter.”
2013 is proving very
productive for Anthony, with the horror thriller “Vipaka,” the coming of age
drama “The Inevitable Defeat of Mister and Pete,” the crime thriller “Runner,
Runner” and “Bolden” being among his offerings. Here, he talks about his new
movie, “Pain & Gain,” a fact-based crime comedy co-starring Dwayne Johnson
and Mark Wahlberg.
Kam
Williams: Hi Anthony, thanks for another
interview.
Anthony Mackie:
What’s going on, my man?
KW:
Nothing much, brother. What an impressive resume you’ve compiled for someone so
young: The Hurt Locker, The Manchurian Candidate, Notorious, We Are Marshall,
Half Nelson, 8 Mile, American Violet, The Adjustment Bureau, Gangster Squad,
Night Catches Us, etcetera, etcetera...
AM:
Thanks a lot, Kam. I’ve been very fortunate to land all the projects that I’ve
done. I have a great team of people working with me.
KW:
So, what interested you in Pain & Gain?
AM:
It was the script. I was really psyched about Michael [director Michael Bay] doing a story with
three-dimensional characters like these who you could real delve into to see
what makes them tick.
KW:
A Michael Bay flick with both that trademark action
as well as some complex character development. It felt almost like I was
watching a new genre of film.
AM:
That’s what made me so happy about it. When he explained to me what he was
trying to do with this movie, it was something that I felt was right up my
alley and that I wanted to be a part of.
KW:
I have a lot of questions sent in to you by readers. Editor/Legist
Patricia Turnier asks: How would you describe
your character, Adrian?
Are you anything like him in real life?
AM:
[Chuckles] That’s funny! No, I’m not anything like him at all. The thing that I
enjoyed about doing Adrian
was that he never backed down. He admired Daniel [played by Mark Wahlberg] so
much and just wanted his friend to succeed. And he also wanted to achieve The
American Dream.
KW:
I saw you on several talk shows over the last couple of weeks, and between
being pumped up from the weightlifting and the way you trash-talked like you
were shot out of a cannon, you seemed almost like a different person, or as if
you were still in character.
AM:
[LOL] I really enjoyed this character and talking about him. I’m lucky because
I get to do projects I like and believe in. And it’s exciting to see people
react positively to your work, to something you’ve invested so much time and so
much of yourself into.
KW:
How much time did you devote to the exercise regimen to get yourself in such
great shape?
AM:
About four months. I worked out for six weeks before we started shooting, and
then every day on location. To get in shape like that involves a whole
lifestyle change. It’s not just going to the gym. It’s also eating and sleeping
differently, and spending your time differently.
KW:
I heard that you and Mark Wahlberg even trained together.
AM:
Yeah, we worked out together every day, once we arrived on set. I think that’s
why we subsequently became such good friends. He appreciated the fact that I
wasn’t taking this opportunity lightly, since he’s not the type of person who
takes the stature he’s achieved for granted. He’s a leader and a hard worker.
He liked my dedication to the project which was reflected in how I accompanied
him daily to the gym to push it as hard as we could.
KW:
Harriet Pakula-Teweles says: Thanks for the wonderful performance in A
Behanding in Spokane.
You’re obviously comfortable on stage and also doing great work on screen. How do
you approach each as an actor?
AM:
First, let me say thank you, Harriet. It’s great that you saw and enjoyed that
play. Stage and screen are completely different. Stage is like a marathon. It’s
more of a physical muscle because you have to do eight shows a week. With a
movie, you do it once, it’s in the can, and you move on. On the stage, you have
to recreate that moment every night. You have to figure out a way, mentally, to
find yourself in the same place every performance. You have to believe that
whatever’s happening in that world is actually happening every night, whereas
with film you just have to believe it once before you move on. So, stage is
really difficult but, at the same time, it’s much more gratifying than film. So
many people have a hand in your screen performance whereas, when you step on
the stage, no one tells you what you can and can’t do.
KW:
Harriet also asks: Do you know what it means to miss New Orleans?
AM:
[LOL] That’s a great song!
KW:
Larry Greenberg says: It seems to me
like the film actually has a message about the growing distance between classes
in America. Or
am I asking too much from a spring blockbuster?
AM:
I think the movie deals more with The American Dream, and the skewed perception
of it in our generation. The idea used to be that you worked hard to achieve
more. Now, it’s “Do as little as you can to achieve as much as you can.”
KW:
Richie the intern says: You have played
Tupac Shakur twice, once, Off-Off Broadway, and also in the film Notorious. Did
you listen to a lot of his music growing up?
AM:
Definitely! The very first CD I ever owned, was a Tupac CD. He’s one of my
all-time favorites. I have every CD and bootleg CD of his. He was a huge
inspiration of mine. Since my parents didn’t allow me to hang out on the
streets as a child, my way of experiencing the streets was by listening to
Tupac.
KW:
Patricia says: I loved your performance in Desert Flower, which brings to mind this
saying: “There are no small parts, only small actors.”
AM:
Thank you, Patricia. I agree. That’s one of the reasons I did Desert Flower. I
feel very strongly about that picture’s subject-matter [female circumcision].
So, I did the film even though I knew I wouldn’t get any fanfare or recognition
from it, because its message was important to me.
KW:
Did you meet naysayers before your first big break as an actor. There are people
who do not give themselves permission to pursue their dreams. What advice do
you have for them?
AM:
[Chuckles] I still meet naysayers every day. This business is funny. It’s all
about your journey and the road that you’re on. There are so many people who
like to comment on my career and on what I am or am not doing. But I know that
it’s my path, and I’m going to decide for myself which direction I want to go. When
I meet naysayers, I just thank them politely for acknowledging my career and I
wish them many blessings on the success of their own careers.
KW:
Marcia Evans says: I have been following your career and I appreciate the
choices you have made as an artist. Do you have any interest in bringing any
historical or cultural stories about Louisiana
to the screen?
AM:
Of course! One of the biggest projects I’ve been working on, for about six
years now, has been a movie about the jazz musician Buddy Bolden. Louisiana is near and
dear to my heart. I moved back to New Orleans
five years ago, because I realize that New
Orleans is what made me into something that I
cherish.
KW:
Are you attached to any post-Katrina rehabilitation project in New Orleans?
AM:
No, I’ve been staying away from the revitalization of New Orleans, because it’s not New Orleanians
who are behind it. And that’s the problem. Every time a New Orleanian tries to
get behind a project, it gets shot down. But you have all these folks from
outside the state trying to change the culture. That’s what the backlash is all
about right now. We want to keep the city the way it was. New Orleans is not
New York, L.A. or Las Vegas, and we want to push all the outsiders out in order
to get back to where we were before Hurricane Katrina.
KW:
Marcia also says that she’s a closet chef who plans to study the wonderful New Orleans cuisine. She
was wondering whether the local fiddles helped you pack on the pounds for this
film.
AM:
[Laughs heartily] No, it was staying away from that stuff that enabled me to
bulk up.
KW:
Marcia then asks: Do you know how to make noise in the kitchen?
AM:
I’ll say this: I’ve never met a woman who wasn’t somebody’s momma who could
cook better than me.
KW:
What is your favorite dish to cook?
AM:
My #1 killer dish is stuffed prawns with crabmeat dressing over teriyaki rice
with pan-fried asparagus. That’s my game-over, you know you’re in for the
night, you’re in trouble situation dish.
KW:
Marcia also asks: Do you like Crawfish Etouffee? [Badly mispronounced]
AM:
[Laughs, and corrects me] It’s Etouffee. I like it if the roux is made right. A
lot of people burn their roux, and I can’t eat their etouffee.
KW:
Lastly, Marcia asks: Does your bar down there serve some finger-lickin’, smack
yo’ momma cuisine?
AM:
[LOL] We serve our food with a band aid, because you’re definitely going to
bite your finger.
KW:
What is your guiltiest pleasure?
AM:
Butter pecan ice cream.
KW:
Mike Pittman asks: What was your wisest
career move?
AM:
Not doing a TV show.
KW: When you look in the mirror, what
do you see?
AM:
Success
KW:
If you could have one wish instantly granted, what would
that be for?
AM:
To do a movie co-starring opposite Denzel Washington.
KW:
The Kerry Washington question: If you were an animal, what
animal would you be?
AM:
A panther.
KW:
The Ling-Ju Yen question: What is your earliest
childhood memory?
AM:
It’s from when I was 3. My dad was building the house that I would grow-up in
and spend my entire childhood in. I took a laundry basket and tried to bobsled
down the stairs but went though the wall about halfway down and landed in the
next room. [Laughs]
KW:
The Jamie Foxx question: If you only had 24 hours to live, what would you do?
Would you do the bad stuff, you never got a chance to do, or would you do good
stuff to make sure you make it into heaven?
AM:
I’d get my family together and spend those 24 hours at home with them.
KW:
The Viola Davis question: Who do you really believe you are when you go home as
opposed to the person you pretend to be on the red carpet?
AM:
At home, I’m a very, deliberate, opinionated and outspoken person. You have to
soften yourself on the red carpet, because no one wants to think you have an
opinion anymore.
KW:
The Anthony Anderson question: If you could have a superpower, which one would
you choose?
AM:
I would want to be a genie who could grant wishes.
KW:
The Judyth Piazza question: What key quality do you believe
all successful people share?
AM:
Determination. A lot of people say they have drive and determination, but most
people aren’t willing to make the sacrifices necessary to achieve great
success.
KW:
Lastly, can you give me an Anthony Mackie question I can ask other celebrities?
AM:
Yeah, is there something that you promised to do if you became famous, that you
still haven’t done yet?
KW:
Thanks again for the time, Anthony, and best of luck with the
film.
AM:
Thanks a lot, Kam, I really appreciate it.
To see a trailer for Pain
& Gain, visit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEQ8jyvmYtw