Soledad O'Brien (INTERVIEW)
Soledad
O’Brien
The “Who Is Black in America?” Interview
with Kam Williams
Color Her Cool
O’Brien’s documentaries include the Black in America and Latino in America series; Don’t Fail Me: Education in America, a look at the crisis in public education where American kids are not learning the skills necessary to compete; The Women Who Would be Queen, a portrayal of the future King and Queen’s friendship-turned-romance and very modern royal marriage; Unwelcome: The Muslims Next Door, a report on religious freedom protections; Pictures Don’t Lie, the story of the secret life of Civil Rights photographer Ernest Withers as a paid FBI informant; Rescued, a look at Haiti’s remarkable children before, during and after the devastating earthquake; and Gary and Tony Have a Baby, chronicling the struggle of two gay men to have a child.
A graduate of Harvard
University, Soledad
lives with her husband and four children in Manhattan. Here, she talks about her upcoming
Black in America special “Who
Is Black in America?”
which is set to premiere on CNN on Sunday, December 9th at 8 PM ET/PT.
(Check local listings)
Kam
Williams: Hi Soledad, thanks for another interview.
Soledad O’Brien: Thank you, Kam.
KW:
Congratulations on your excellent election year coverage on CNN. But did you
ever worry about being pigeonholed as partisan during the presidential campaign? How do you maintain your image as impartial when you have Republicans
taking potshots at you? For instance, Romney advisor John Sununu suggested that
you put an Obama bumper sticker on your forehead, and Fox News President Roger
Ailes condescendingly referred to you as “That girl that’s named after a
prison.”
SO:
It’s going to get crazy at times during any election year. That’s just what
happens. The goal for me is to be focused and really well-read so I’m prepared
to ask the tough questions of both sides. You’re always going to have those
people who love you and those who hate you, but after four kids and a
quarter-century in this business, I have a very thick skin. [Chuckles] The only
thing that bothers me is if I feel I haven’t done a tough interview. The people
who come on regularly know they’re going to be challenged, and that they can challenge
me. They also understand that I’m not a pushover and that I don’t crumble
because I come armed with the facts.
KW:
Let’s talk about your upcoming special. Where did you come up with the idea for
Who Is Black in America?
SO:
We were thinking about universal themes for Black in America that really touch
people, that really matter to people, and one of the themes that we kept coming
up with was colorism, discrimination based on skin tone. It was fascinating to
hear the conversations that were happening between people who were
light-skinned, people who were dark-skinned, and people somewhere in between.
Just the hurt, the pain and anger on all sides was very interesting. So, we
thought we would explore that because it seemed like a very interesting story
to tell, especially since we were seeing a big change, generationally. The
conversations I was having with men and women of my age group were very
different from the conversations younger men and women were having with people
of their age group. It’s fascinating to hear the take of those that we feature
in the doc around 17, 18 and 19, as they kind of grapple with their identity
and with where America
is today.
KW:
I think I heard CNN’s Roland Martin mention in promo for your show that he had
someone in his family pass for white.
SO:
Yep, and that’s not an unusual story. That’s another question people would like
to explore. What makes you black? How can you consider yourself black while
someone with the identical genetic makeup considers themselves white or tries
to pass for white? Those are the sort of big questions we wanted to grapple
with.
KW:
I suspect that the influx of immigrants from South America, India,
Africa, Mexico
and so many other countries, along with mixed marriage, is changing the
definition of what is black?
SO:
I think that’s true. I also think that there’s a real interesting conversation
going on generationally. One of the young women we profile, who is biracial,
very much has a hard time identifying as black. And yet, she has a sister who
would say the exact opposite. [Chuckles] So, this isn’t a documentary where we
come up with the right answer at the end. It really is much more a conversation
about colorism because, ultimately, what is at the heart of all this is this
sense that there’s some better skin color to be, and that people are
discriminated against. So, it’s not just that people are grappling with
identity but that there’s a lot of pain and shame and embarrassment and hurt
and anger on account of colorism. And we wanted to understand what that was.
KW:
Tell me a little about Nayo Jones, one of the young women you profile on the
special.
SO:
She’s biracial. Her father is white and mother’s black. She lives with her dad
and very much identifies with her white side. She’s a super-talented, smart
young singer and poet. She goes through life with people trying to figure out
what she is, and asking, “What are you?” which really makes her mad.
KW:
What about Perry DiVirgilio?
SO:
In a way, he’s the center of all the stories. He’s a biracial guy. His dad is
white, his mom is black, and he runs the poetry workshop in Philadelphia on understanding who you are
where all of these people’s lives intersect. They’re sort of the right age for
it because they’re the coming-of-age age. When you’re a slam poet, part of the
agenda is to connect to your material. And your success is a measure of your
honesty and your authenticity. I think a lot of those slam poets don’t want to
tackle the hard stuff, and Perry really pushes them and challenges about what
their identity means to them by asking, “What is making you angry?” “What are
you afraid of?” and “What are you ashamed of?” So, he’s sort of the centerpiece
of our documentary not just for his own story but because he connects to all
the young people as the poet/mentor who tries to get them to be honest. What
you realize is that most people aren’t that honest, and this is one of the rare
times when you capture people on camera speaking about how they feel about race
and identity.
KW:
How do you see this coming-of-age generation as different?
SO:
I think those in our documentary share a sense of optimism, and I’m curious to
see where it goes. Overall, it was very interesting to see all these different
people trying to tackle the problem of colorism, because in some ways it’s such
a deep psychological problem. Perry, our poet, thinks so. He believes that
young people being able to articulate their poetry unbelievably is really about
understanding who they are. The exercises that he does in his poetry workshop
are just fascinating.
KW:
Do you think you might have different generational reactions to the special?
SO:
I’m sure. Some of the younger people exhibit a certain flexibility. They’re
like, “Why can’t I be biracial? Why can’t I be both?” I never felt that was an
option for us. Maybe it was, but I never felt like I had an option for both. My
identity was very strong. I never believed people who said things like, “You’re
not really black,” or suggested my identity might be anything but black. Today,
I think there is this sense of flexibility among younger people. Whether or that
remains as they get older remains to be seen. The ultimate question we examine
is, “Who decides?” Is it you? Is it society? I think it’s a really interesting
documentary. Again, we didn’t set out to solve the problem. I just don’t think
people talk about the roots of colorism, and this fifth Black in America special
was a great opportunity to do so.
KW:
Thanks again for the time, Soledad, and I look forward to speaking to
you again with questions from my readers after the show airs.
SO:
Talk to you then, Kam. Bye!
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